Saturday, December 11

US aid for the Palestinians?

Well blow me down, we have "pledged support in the amount of 20 million to aid the Palestinians out of a Financial crisis. I guess another trip across the lines might be warrented. I am a bit suprised that i did not hear about the first time. Now before you get exited, this is as of yet, only a pledge, and we know how our present administration honors its word.
The US government has pledged $20m (£10.3m) in direct aid to help the Palestinians out of a financial crisis.

It is believed to be only the second time in two years that Washington has transferred money in this way.

A senior administration official said the grant will provide emergency budget support, and recognises efforts made to shore up democracy ahead of elections.

Palestinians are preparing to vote on 9 January for a new leader to replace the late Yasser Arafat.

"The upcoming Palestinian elections have made a functioning Palestinian Authority more important than ever," an official told the BBC.

He said the Palestinian Authority was "in dire financial straits", barely able to pay its bills from month to month.

The money will be used to pay for utility services, including the payment of arrears to Israeli utility companies, the official added.
Well as long as the Isreali Utility companies get paid I guess all is well and good. I wonder if they will be upping their prices on Kilowatt Hours. I mean if its OK for Enron...........

Panty Bunching Powers ....... Retro-Activate.

Caught wind of this latest episode of "Mind if I sniff your Crotch" "Are we in Prudeistan yet?", at the Americablog via HaloScam. Some One, or ones, complained about indecency during the, get this, Opening Ceremony of the Olympic Games. And I thought that Maude Flanders had died and gone to Heaven. It is good to know that someone is "thinking about the children".
FCC Wary of Greeks Baring Gifts at Games

By Lisa de Moraes
Saturday, December 11, 2004; Page C01

In response to one or more indecency complaints, the Federal Communications Commission has asked NBC to send it tapes of its coverage of the Summer Olympics Opening Ceremonies in Athens, the network confirmed late yesterday.

Ironically, the night before, NBC's Summer Games coverage was named the family-friendliest special of 2004 during WB's broadcast of the sixth annual Family Television Awards. The awards are given by the Family Friendly Programming Forum, a group of 46 major national advertisers working to encourage networks to produce more family-friendly prime-time fare.
It's unclear what aspect of NBC's coverage of the ceremonies has knotted the knickers of someone who has corresponded with the FCC, word of which was first reported by trade paper Mediaweek on its Web site late yesterday.
I am not sure whats going on here but it sure is strange and I think someone should investigate.

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A woman with an unusual paunch took a dip in the
Opening Ceremonies' wading pool last summer.
(Tom Hanson -- AP)
Like I said, someone needs to investigate.

Meanwhile support for the Troops appears to be skin deep.

Homeless Gulf war Vets you say. Must be Gulf war I vets, and sure, while tragic, some guys just can't seem to get it together and their bennies run out. Oops, were are not talking about GWI vets, but Operation Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom vets. Thanks to Rorschach for the tip. I do wonder why the Moonie Times is carrying this story.
Homeless Iraq vets showing up at shelters

By Mark Benjamin

Washington, DC, Dec. 7 (UPI) -- U.S. veterans from the war in Iraq are beginning to show up at homeless shelters around the country, and advocates fear they are the leading edge of a new generation of homeless vets not seen since the Vietnam era.

"When we already have people from Iraq on the streets, my God," said Linda Boone, executive director of the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans. "I have talked to enough (shelters) to know we are getting them. It is happening and this nation is not prepared for that."

"I drove off in my truck. I packed my stuff. I lived out of my truck for a while," Seabees Petty Officer Luis Arellano, 34, said in a telephone interview from a homeless shelter near March Air Force Base in California run by U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to helping homeless veterans.

Arellano said he lived out of his truck on and off for three months after returning from Iraq in September 2003. "One day you have a home and the next day you are on the streets," he said.
Thanks for your service, now please just go somewhere else and stay out of sight. We've got real "still-fighting" troops to support. Now I just need to remember to pick up some of those chinese made support the troops ribbons, 'cause I wouldn't want anyone to think I was anything but a proud war mongering fool.
In Iraq, shrapnel nearly severed his left thumb. He still has trouble moving it and shrapnel "still comes out once in a while," Arellano said. He is left handed.

Arellano said he felt pushed out of the military too quickly after getting back from Iraq without medical attention he needed for his hand -- and as he would later learn, his mind.

"It was more of a rush. They put us in a warehouse for a while. They treated us like cattle," Arellano said about how the military treated him on his return to the United States.
A gunner's mate for 16 years, Arellano said he adjusted after serving in the first Gulf War. But after returning from Iraq, depression drove him to leave his job at the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. He got divorced.
Thanks for the service buddy, but now that you are useless to the war machine just sod off already, and please stop complaining, like someone owed you sonething.

Rummy, Humvees, Armour, and the protection of projection.

Earlier this week a guardsman that was allowed to speak to the Vaunted Secretary Rumsfeld, apparently he did not follow the script. Apparently things are not so rosy in Iraq. Via No Capital

Middle East - AP
Rumsfeld Hears Gripes From GIs in Kuwait

Wed Dec 8, 6:24 PM ET

Add to My Yahoo! Middle East - AP

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

CAMP BUEHRING, Kuwait - In a rare public airing of grievances, disgruntled soldiers complained to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Wednesday about long deployments and a lack of armored vehicles and other equipment.

"You go to war with the Army you have," Rumsfeld replied, "not the Army you might want or wish to have."

Spc. Thomas Wilson had asked the defense secretary, "Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to up-armor our vehicles?" Shouts of approval and applause arose from the estimated 2,300 soldiers who had assembled to see Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld hesitated and asked Wilson to repeat his question.

"We do not have proper armored vehicles to carry with us north," Wilson, 31, of Ringgold, Ga., concluded after asking again.
I first heard about this lack of armor in late september 2003, shortly after they tried to shaft the soldiers and their families back home with pay cuts. Back in the day when I still believed a critical mass would lead to dubby's implosion. As you cn imagine, over on the other side of the fence they are not dealing with the facts of the case per se, just the motivation of the questioner. You see, apparently the kid who asked the question was coached by a reporter, so you see, the question itself is no longer valid. I guess its time for a side trip the the site of Warpornucopia called LGF. What follows it how the mighty CJ see's things. Afterward a bit from the shallow end of the pool.
The executive editor of the Chattanooga Times Free Press now says he “regrets” readers were not informed that their reporter, Edward Lee Pitts, planted a question for Donald Rumsfeld: Paper Regrets Handling of Rumsfeld Story.

Notice how nobody seems concerned about the unethical nature of what Pitts did—least of all Pitts himself, who bragged openly about setting up that soldier. The only problem, according to the people quoted by the Associated Press, is that readers weren’t told about Pitts’ machinations.

But media is supposed to report news. Not manufacture it.

I know Charles, welcome to the party, where were you when they were spreading that SBVFT crap around, Oh right, please don't mind me you can return to felating the prez. Now with over 500 comments you now that people are righteously indignant that someone might question the quality of the imperial wardrobe.
#4 Curt 12/10/2004 08:51AM PST

Nice to see someone is at least thinking, but I'm sure not holding my breath over the rest of the MSM coming clean....

Thank God for blogs....

Question: With each passing day, I wonder if the Democrats hate Al Gore more and more for inventing the Internet....

(first? probably not...:))

Yes thank god for the blogs, where you can avoid anything resembling the news while seeking out places that reiforce your ill informed viewpoints. We must live in alternate universii my friend. Sorry to break it to you charlie, but this democrat also praises the invisible cloud being and Al Gore for his sponsorship of the legislation that funded the thing, and for all the other members of Congress that voted yea. Buddy you can thank the MSM for you Gore/internet snickers. As well as for C- Tiberius.
#6 rabid fanatic 12/10/2004 08:51AM PST

As I mentioned yesterday, the thing that bugs me the most is the purpose of the deception, i.e. another attack on the senior members of the administration in an effort to discredit their handling of the war. You can argue, as Jheka did, that we don't know that this was the motive, but I believe it is hard-wired into the majority of the MSM.

dud belief in something is right next door to conclusive proof, just go ahead and say it; "if the MSM had not been so hard on Bush he would have won by 100 Million votes"

#9 Grafton 12/10/2004 08:53AM PST

Charles, why don't you post a followup to this story about the fact that the armor is *not* being produced at capacity? Isn't that more important than yet more about this reporter? I understand your concern about the media, but how about some concern for the 192 men and women killed in un-armored Humvees? If this story pressures the Pentagon into armoring at full capacity, and saves lives (which is likely), even one life, then this question, however asked, was a good thing. Otherwise, your critics will say you care less about the troops than your own irritation with the media.

Now this Grafton guy seems OK, and makes a couple of fine points, lets see how long it takes for the pile up to commence.

#11 Curt 12/10/2004 08:57AM PST

#6 - rabid fanatic:

My theory is it's just plain wired into at least a one genration, the offspring of the same type hippies like the couple I saw in a park in Haight -Ashbury in about 1967, laying on blanket, groping each other, and the woman was pushing the about 18 month old child away....

The "me" generation, and the resultant "raising" of the children to be selfish. They now have populated academia, and the left wing of the political spectrum, demanding more and more and more, and woe be unto the person in office who doesn't give them everything they want....

/thoughtful rant on society at large

I saw an atrocity once too, and I have formed an entire world view based on that one fateful event so many years ago. I'd share some of my theories in a "thoughful rant" but I haven't got the time right now, Oh wait that's pretty much what I do here, allright then, lets move along.

#12 rabid fanatic 12/10/2004 08:58AM PST

Grafton how do you know armor is NOT being produced at capacity? Are you saying that we are intentionally under protecting our soldiers so that more of them die? Why would we do that?

This is what you get for an honest question and a good point. clearly anything that poses a challenge to the leadership of dear leader must be challenged with a vengeance, and when shown the proof, just blame the accuser. rabid, uhm hate to break it to you but that information is readily available. In fact the Junior Senator from my state (I know, he's one of those) where a large amount of the vehicles in question are built had a few nice things to say about Rumsfeld.

Bayh, a Democrat and a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee who has pushed for more armored Humvees in the past, said Rumsfeld was mistaken that vehicle and armor production were at capacity.

"I don't think he was lying, I think he didn't know," Bayh said in a teleconference with reporters from his office in Washington. "I think a lot of the information is controlled by the Pentagon bureaucracy and he was misinformed."

The Indiana manufacturer of Humvees for the military and the Ohio company that adds armor to them are not running near production capacity and are making all that the Pentagon has requested, spokesmen for both companies said.

Really neither company running near capacity, and rummy's excuse is a lack of cash? In a related story Bayh continues.

INDIANAPOLIS -- Military planners never envisioned the difficulty the United States would have in stabilizing Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein, Sen. Evan Bayh said.That mistake led the Pentagon to underestimate the need for fully armored military vehicles to protect U.S. troops, Bayh, D-Ind., said Thursday as he urged a substantial increase in the production of the vehicles."The lack of troops, the lack of armor, the lack of other kinds of equipment, it all comes back to them thinking that we were going to be welcomed as liberating heroes and that this was going to be a police action and nothing more."

Bayh's comments came a day after a soldier publicly complained to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld about a shortage of armored vehicles and other equipment. Army Spc. Thomas Wilson also told Rumsfeld that soldiers have had to scavenge through landfills to find materials to provide adequate protection for their vehicles.Bayh said he had heard similar complaints ever since the war started."At the beginning, although not acceptable, it was at least somewhat understandable. Everybody makes mistakes, but this mistake has been made over and over and over again," he said.
No shit. but if we did not continue to make these mistakes over and over we might not benefit as much from the massive war profiteering exercise, and naked grab for power that a generation long conflict can provide. We'll finish with this bit from a denizen of LGF, with a bit of a lead in. Ok it is well documented that our soldiers have suffered from exactly the situation that bayh raises above, and this is due to the candy land vision of a quick and easy payforitself kind of vision the planners had at the start. The bottom line is that there have been needless casualties due to the lack of armor, but apparently that is not the issue.........

13 Geepers 12/10/2004 08:58AM PST

What really struck me, is that this soldier starts his question with: "Our soldiers ..." And when asked to repeat his question he asks "Our soldiers ... "

Ask yourself; would a soldier naturally refers to the other members of his company as "Our soldiers ..."

Very telling as to if this question was fed to him by a reporter.

And it looks like Lee got both of his plants up to the mike because the sixth question is almost identical to the third.

This stinks.

For anyone who wants to you can listen to the entire address and Q&A's here:

The Pentagon Channel

For shame for shame, it is truly sick my friend, when a bunch of pajama wearing keyboard warriers can immediatley pile on a guy who is actually over there. Did it actually occur to any of these idjits that maybe the kid just wanted to avoid sounding like a fool? Of course not the problem is not the question (that is to be ignored) the problem is with the delivery.

They continue to proudly identify with the mantle of victimhood. That damn MSM. Hell in my universe, without the compliance of the media, Dubby would have long ago been impeached. Good thing that independant prosecutor law ran out in 2000.

Just before I was ready to close the window on the LGF bots, I found someone else taking notice of Graftons question and stepping up to the defence of their battalion commander.
#23 Studsup 12/10/2004 09:05AM PST


Why does Charles have to do that? Why not Pitts, if that was his story? Unfortunately, Pitts real agenda was to make his bones by ambushing the SOD. In the end, that was the only story that counted, that's the one the rest of the MSM at home and abroad is running with, and that's exactly what Pitts wanted to achieve.

Charles' focus tends to be the media, what it reports and what it doesn't and particularly as it relates to the global Islamic JIhad. If you want to learn more about the armored vehicle situation in Iraq, subscribe to Soldier of Fortune, they've been discussing it intelligently there on and off for two years.

Friday, December 10

It's Friday Kids, and we all know what that means

Togetherness I

Jack and Ptolemy are taking a well deserved rest on the bed (It was made before they got up there and messed it up I swear). While Betty
who had clocked in for a shift of her own, has seen a possible opportunity for lovin'. And has started off to see if a petting hand is available. As you can see Ptolemy is a little worse for wear, apparently a local fight club just got started somewhere near the north fourty. I am only surmising that this is the case as well, Ptolemy seems to be uninterested in breaking the first rule of Fight Club.

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Togetherness II

Kitainy Yev, lounges in supervision of Ptolemy who is running a quality assurance test on the victuals. I never got that report, now that I think of it, and as the bowl has since been emptyed, and everyone is still around, I just will not worry about it.

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Thursday, December 9

"The Mainstream"

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Tuesday, December 7

I was just hanging out at the blog, minding my own business...

So this weekend I was regularly checking in over at the Eschaton, and on Sunday Atrios had an interesting theme, concerning how the press had responded during different stages of the war in Iraq, finishing the mini series with a late 2002 poll. During this last thread, there was lively discussion, a couple of drive by trolls, and then a Juan Cole hater dropped by to educate us about our lack of understanding. A bit later, a nice gentleman who goes by the nick of Iron Fist LGF dropped in with the following kind words, and before we knew it the guantlet had been thrown down. I feel compelled to break down
that which starts with a backhanded slap and ends up with an invitation.

I'd say it's a pretty good thing your side wasn't running things during the Civil War, don't you?

Otherwise, y'all would've hung it up after Antietam if not before. I think President Lee would have ended slavery, but there are no guarantees. In either event, I'd be posting from the Confederate State of Tennessee. Both sides lost more men in one day on one battlefield than we've lost in over three years in two theaters of combat.
Kicks the door open, enters the room, making accusations and asking and answering his own question. Then launches into one of the favorite winger articles of faith, the law of comparitive casualties. Since we lost more men in a day during the civil war than in the combined actions in Iraq and Afghanistan we should have nothing to complain about. This tack, of course, conveniently sidesteps a multitude of issues. He continues with the sesibility of a diplomat.
Your side is either so ignorant of military history that it has no business making comments on military operations, or is so divorced from reality that it needs hospitalization.

In case you didn't notice, the South lost the Civil War, despite beating the hell out of the Union up to the Battle of Gettysburg (almost a year after Antietam).

It's really hard to take your side seriously if you know military history. Your side makes the French look courageous.
At this point i find myself warming up to the guy, apparently, "our side" is utterly ignorant and therefore unqualified to make comments or have opinions about military matters. In fact not only are we cowards, we are probably gay as well. As you will see, this fine gentleman did not come around to insult or educate, and thank gof for that (I was a little scared that I might have to change my underoos).
Anyway, I didn't come here to fight, so don't cower.
Thank god, skidmarks I could deal with, and i did not want to ruin my favorite pair of underoos. I gues the above was just preliminary, get to know ya banter for the invitation to follow.
Why aren't you involved in Friends of Iraq Blogger Challenge? Whether or not we agree on the war, can we not agree that it would be best for a Free Iraq to get off the ground? Not only for the US but for the Iraqis themselves?

Your side whines that conservatives are cold and cruel, but when it comes to demonstrating compassion with your own money (as opposed to someone else’s) the Left seems rather reluctant.

I’m here to throw down the gauntlet. LGF has hit the ten grand mark.

Can you compassionate Leftists beat us?
Now how could anyone be expected to respond to such an endearing entreaty? Reach for our checkbooks of course. At least I believe that is the response that Mr Fist expected. After all he waltzes in, insults us, educates while insulting us, explains that it isn't a fight he is looking for so "don't cower" and then asks us to contribute money while insulting us, and everyone on "our side". This was the opening salvo in a battle that few of us were aware of engaging in that would be documented by Chucky J at his Award winning Little Green Footballs site.

Freak Parade at Atrios

Last night, LGF reader Iron Fist ventured into the comments at Duncan Black’s weblog, Atrios, daring Black and his readers to participate in the Spirit of America Blogger Challenge, and do something to help the Iraqi people.

The resulting deluge of noxious hatred and bile, from people who like to set themselves up as paragons of moral virtue, is simply amazing. Here’s a direct link to the post that starts it off: - Comments. It should be obvious, but please note that there are freaks posting as Iron Fist, and also with my name there; probably one or more of the banned LGF stalkers who now find a home at Atrios and other lefty blogs.

I don’t think they like me. I’m all torn up about it.

WARNING: Don’t read this if you’re easily offended; there are some really ugly comments, the kind of thing you see when maladjusted personalities are allowed to run amok.

Now the last part is too rich, if you have had the opportunity to wade through the comments on that site. I would suggest if you have the stomach for it to check out this Rachal Corrie thread, better yet, take a look at this one celebrating her victory in the Idiotarian of the year award. Of course, i would suggest you avoid reading these threads if you are easily offended. So back to the "battle of the blogs" let's take a look at some of the comments from the LGF piece, there have got to be some good ones with over 400 to choose. Just keep the following in mind, If I were to say, go over to LGF, start with insults about their knowledge of history and general lack of intelligence, I would likely have my post deleted and be banned from posting again (remind me to try from another computer), whereas, at the eschaton you pretty much have to be a pain in the ass, and or highly disruptive for an extended time, before you might lose posting priviledges. A sample from the first 10.

#7 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar 12/6/2004 11:07AM PST

Yeah they gave Iron Fist a hearty f*** y** and made a bunch of posts pretending to be him fucking cats and talking about gay sex. Then the one-hand posting name stealer went after Charles (and then threw some friendly fire at someone with a child molesting fantasy).

#8 Tman 12/6/2004 11:09AM PST

Iron Fist made a generally harmless request, asking Atrios and his members to help support the Iraqi's futures, whether you agree with the war or not.

Instead he gets trashed with some of the most asinine commentary I have ever read. After reading only about half of that thread I feel like I need a shower.

And the democrats still wonder why they lost the election.......look no further than this post DNC, THIS is why....

#9 stevej 12/6/2004 11:10AM PST

sad. they are so blinded by their ideology and propeganda that they cant even come out into the real world. the only other example i can think of would be a Hitler Youth, brainwashed by the propeganda and ideology and blind to the real world.

/yes thats right LLL's i flipped your hitler attack on you, becuase it fits you.

According to #8 Iron Fist was just making a harmless request and just trying to reach across the divide and bring us a little closer together, but got his head nearly ripped off by nasty recalcitrant Lilly Livered Liberals. OMG ding ding ding, i think one of my comments was cited, and articulately rebuffed. It must be the following comment, as there are no other references that I can find.
I like how "party line boy" wears his frat tattoo with his nick. Good idea actually, might I try a version and see if it lends weight to my words.
19 Tanker J.D. 12/6/2004 11:16AM PST

Note how one commentator refers to LGF as a "fraternity". Putting aside, for a moment, the fact that numerous female posters here belie that description, I just wanted to say that I was unaware of the formality of the LGF community.

I'm relatively new here, and no one told me anything about the pledgeship program, and really, y'all seem pretty light on the hazing. I mean, when do I get paddled and get forced to clean up the brothers' vomit after the kegger? Are there dues? Chapter meetings? Just curious, you know....

I guess I should have referred to a panhellenic society, as I was not trying to insult the female commenters of LGF. The point was that most do not append to their nicknames, their favorite website when they leave the conforts of home, but then I guess that some of us are not into tribal identity.

OK I think this might have been where the confusion about which site they were visiting, arose.
20 Quilly Mammoth 12/6/2004 11:17AM PST

Zoiks! Such erudite people there...

What scares me is that it isn't just HaloScan, or the Kossacks, it is virtually _every_ _single_ lefty blog where the hate is palpable. Not against people trying to kill us, but rather against their fellow citizens.

While I may mock most Liberals I don't hate them. But they sure seem to hate everyone who doesn't agree with them.


Ok buddy, the place is known as Eschaton, not Haloscan, the latter is an add on commenting system in use by many websites. Last night, while hanging out at the Eschaton, NYMary said that she had recieved an email, suggesting that she should be fired for commenting at the Eschaton. I asked her about the letter and she kindly posted it and this was the first I saw of the Haloscan/Eschaton confusion.

Here's what it said:

Hello, you mentioned that you are a prof at BCC? I find it utterly despicable that there is person in a teaching position out there who would visit that disgusting blog, HaloScam. Also, the fact that you were posting that garbage about LGFers trying to raise money to build up Iraq economy? Build schools? Buy food? You are a disgusting human being, but I guess you already know it. Good luck with your position, I hope someone does something about it, and you wouldn't be able to indoctrinate young people and get big bucks for it. My regards (not)


Now as memory served, NYMary while commenting on other matters, pretty much stayed out of the fray except to offer the following rejoinder.
Is there a substantive difference between "ZioNazi" and "Islamofascist"?

I think not.

"Cracker dumbass"? Now that's something different.
I am not sure that this comment fits the definition of an attack on the worthy effort to help out the Iraqi's in their time of need. I would not believe that it rises to the level that would require that "someone does something about it" But maybe thats just me. Anyhoo, Mary's lesser half Thersites was quoted by one of the members of the LGF crack assault team.

21 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar 12/6/2004 11:19AM PST

#15 Geepers
That's Thersites, a guy who writes twelve year fantasies of TV programs into his arguements like this one

Shorter LGF cerebral process:

Imperious Leader: Welcome, Baltar. I have grave news. A handful of Colonials prevail, but we will soon find them.
Baltar: What of our bargain? My colony was to be spared!
Imperious Leader: I now alter the bargain.
Baltar: How can you change one side of a bargain?
Imperious Leader: When there is no other side. You have missed the entire point of the war.
Baltar: But I have no ambitions against you!
Imperious Leader: Could you think me so foolish as to trust a man who would see his own race destroyed?
Baltar: Not destroyed, subjugated, under me.
Imperious Leader: There can be no survivors. So long as one human remains alive, the Alliance is threatened.
Baltar: Surely you don't mean me?
Imperious Leader: We thank you for your help, Baltar. Your time is at an end.
Baltar: No! You can't! You still need meAAAAAAARRRRGHHH!
[A Cylon slits Baltar's throat.]

That's the prose of a 12 year old if I've ever read such. But since you have to be at least 35 years old to remember Battle Star Gallactica, I recommend nodding politely and backing away slowly.

He also posted one of my favorite responses.
Now THIS is funny...

I wish I could say come over to LGF, and we can have a discussion, but I can’t. We're in a troll culling phase.


Combined with this...

These other motherfuckers would piss their pants if they saw what was sitting on this end of their TCP/IP shield.

LGF as pesonified in "Iron Fist," ladies and gentlemen.

The delightful cherry on the top of this asshat sundae? He came here to ask us to give him money.

IF's response and first goodbye

It is trolling to simply make a challenge to your principles?

To say we've stepped up for the Iraqi people, why haven't you?

I've suffered immense abuse for this, for trying to talk rationally with you all.

You are right. I was stupid to believe that the Left had any redeeming qualities.

You all are nothing but has-been scum.

As the American Electorate has decided.

President George W. Bush

Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice

Republican House

Republican Senate

Welcome to irrelevance. I won't trouble you any more.

Have fun playing in the ash-bin of history

Poor little victim
pseudonymous in nc,

With all due respect, fuck you.

I'll give the respect I've been given.
And another mean response by Thersites.

I'll give the respect I've been given.

Let's back up a bit, and see all this from Chester's perspective. It goes something like this:

"I am IRON FIST, puny human! I demand REASONED ARGUMENT from you SCUM! And do not mock me. Do not mock IRON FIST! Or he will call you IMPOLITE! Kneel before Zod!"

Honestly, it's like Ming the Merciless pouting and stamping his feet because you're using the salad fork with your entree...

This really is some funny shit.
Now IF and I had what might amount to a "debate" on the subject at hand. I usually try to avoid trolls, but sometimes I can't help myself. So in response to his calculous of comparitive casualties, I suggested that he was dealing in Fruit.
Does anyone around here actually think? or do you just spout the Party line?

Thats rich, he he he, party line, hehehehe.

Apples and oranges my friend.

Apples and oranges? In what way?

Last time I checked, dead was, well, dead.

Do you mean that our wounded are more likely to survive today? That they are more likely to recover better from their wounds if they survive?

Hardly an argument for your side.

We took a heavier beating at Antietam than we have in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. And that is for each side. It doesn't really matter if I me the North by we or the South.

The only way you get apples and oranges is if you say they were willing to pay a higher price than you are.

If that is what you mean, we are in agreement.

I forgot that we were just discussing the calculus of bodycount, and that yours is a black/white worldview.

If you can provide a coherent justification for why we are now, or more importantly still fighting, in Iraq that doesn't start with "Saddam was...", then I might be interested.

For some reason, I never feel the need to prosthylatize over on your stomping grounds.
Well, I never got an answer to my question, not that IF had already left the building.
This is his final post, although not before heading back to LGF to get some backup.

Real final post, Guys and Dolls.

Was this fun or what?

G-d these folks are idiots.

Now the whole WWW sees what they are.

Atrios must be proud.
So thus ended his involvement but there were many others who felt compelled to join the fight. Now one of my favorite Keyboard commando's was Darleen. She barges in with the following astute observation.
What I find so amusing is that the typical Leftist male (I can't quite bring myself to use the title "man" in connection with males who would rather ignore beheadings and female genital mutilation as long as it happens over there) thinks the best way to belittle those that challenge Leftist.Truth. is to make genital jokes (when they aren't waxing conspiratorally about all those nasty Joooos in Israel, why don't they just go AWAY!! whaa! I've spilt my latte!).

I'd say projection was the order of the day.


I await the return of the loyal, mature, anti-left liberal Democratic Party.

And its fun to see y'all run your mouth but never put a $ up to back it up.
And as you can imagine, there imght be an intemperate response or three. Darl, adds the following pertanent information.
pseudonymous in nc

Well, that's a brave..something. All the intellect of a sniggering little boy scrawling nasty words on the neighbors fence.

BTW, the disney "Darlene" may have had her tits after Annette's, but I certainly got more compliments on mine.

No flatchested women in my family.
Ok I needed to know that. I fear the mam's the mam's scare me, big ones especially.
To finish, I'll let Thersites take it away, sums it up nicely, and then well head on back to LGF central.
Which do you think this thread is?

"Iron Fist" went back to LGF and posted a link to this thread, claiming the Left is full of Islamofascists and we are Nazis because we were mean to him and will not give money to the thing fistula asked us to give money to because he showed up and called us pussy appeasers unless we coughed up $10,000 pronto. Then the rest of the moron brigade showed up, yammering like semiliterate Cylons about how big their tits are and doing the "I'm going to repeat what you said in a 'duh' voice" schtick which passed for wit in the third grade.

Now, back to the troll infestation.
Now I have a London Broil I have to get to, this post is gaining in length so I'll try to keep this short. Back in La La land
#53 oldengr 12/6/2004 11:40AM PST


Did you notice how many of the posters appear to be academics? It's getting to the point where I'm afraid to send my kids to college.

I find many people are liberals when they are in academia - its when they start working and start having to pay taxes and see what really is going on in the real world that they start becoming wiser and more conservative. Heck, I was pretty liberal before I graduated from university! I am trying to "immunize" my kids so they won't have to go thru the "liberal phase" when they go to college.

Acedemics don't pay taxes or live in the real world. Shit thats news to me. Maybe I should finish college and get a job as an acedemic so I can ovoid paying taxes. Here's Iron Fists first comment on the battle.
76 Iron Fist 12/6/2004 11:55AM PST

Guys and Dolls,

Thanks for the support! I must admit I was shocked by the sheer vitriol, and by the fact that Atrios obviously supports it (a lot of that shit would have been deleted and got the poster banned here. And we are the mean and nasty ones?).

The Left keep saying that we need to “reach out” and find “common ground”.

We all saw what happened when I tried that, didn’t we?

I’m not mad, just a bit disappointed. But only a bit. I pretty much expected what I got (the cat thing was kind of a surprise :-) The left is entirely morally bankrupt, devoid of any purpose other than the blind acquisition of power and the purposeless use of the same.

Of course, we already knew that.

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And thanks, Charles! Too cool!

Just a couple to finsh the post and keep the corrie threads in mind when you read these descriptions. You can Keep Hannity and Coulter in mind as well as Big Pharma.

#121 Trippin 12/6/2004 12:39PM PST

It's amazing that leftwing fascists can even type a complete sentence, what with one hand usually up their sister's skirt, the other hand lovingly caressing a hamster's rectum, and the dull thud of uncle Marvin's balls thumping against their chins.

I'm assuming liberals type with their toes? Cool.

#122 bender 12/6/2004 12:39PM PST

wow - they have really gotten out of control.

seriously - and people say the comments at LGF are borderline insane - that stuff was just plain nuts.

Yep I'm just a hateful person who can't accept a polite invitation. I am the Thug that is keeping so many patriots down. I mean all of Us are Thugs, or should that be Thugs-R-Us, yeah thats the ticket. Oh and you can visit the Weblog of Iron Fist.

Saturday, November 20, 2004

Tournament Time in Tennessee

Well, we had our annual tournament today, and I'm sad to say that none of the various moonbats I had invited to come out and play showed up. It would have been so much fun.

Well, for me and some of the other Black Belts ;-P

It was a good tournament, with only one serious injury (a guy got five teeth knocked out), and I got to see a lot of old friends. As part of the Black Belt Society, I worked the concession stand, and we sold out of everything.

All in all a good day.

The Best of the Warbloggers.

Something tells me that this blog did not qualify under the strict guidelines set up by Right Wing News. If I had only known there was such an award, I might have been a little less strident in my criticisms of the war and the administration. Oh well. Seriously, I find it difficult to believe that one would take pride in such an award, but as I was taking a gander over at Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs site, looking for material for the next post, i discovered that they were quite happy to have placed highly in the contest. While looking over the results, I did find some interesting results in some interesting categories. Let's start with famous columnist that is not a blogger.

Favorite Columnist Who's Not A Blogger

4) Victor Davis Hanson (4)
4) Thomas Sowell (4)
3) Ann Coulter (8)
2) Charles Krauthammer (10)
1) Mark Steyn (16)

I have to admit that I am not well aquainted with Hanson, Davis or Steyn, but thanks to the power of linkydinks, I might decide, when I have absolutely nothing to do (do I need to scoop the litter box?), to bone up on those characters. Now Coulter and Krauthammer would make my pantheon of providers of the batshit looniest political commentary you will find. Let's just say that if you take what they have to say seriously, it is unlikely that we can have a meaningful conversation about anything other than the weather. So like I said, after I scoop out the litter,,,,,,,,,,

Least Liked Columnist Who's Not A Blogger

3) EJ Dionne (3)
3) Helen Thomas (3)
3) Mark Morford (3)
2) Paul Krugman (5)
1) Maureen Dowd (24)

No suprises here, well, OK I am suprised that Dowd beat out Krugman, but he's on hiatus so they may have simply forgotten about him.

Favorite Political Website That's Not A Blog

3) WSJ Opinion Journal (6)
3) FrontPage Magazine (6)
2) RealClearPolitics (9)
1) National Review (12)

Worst part of a paper (WSJ) that has actually done some decent reporting, Never seen or heard of FPM, or RCP for that matter but would lay decent odds that the publications in question are probably rags. And the grandfather of the right wing the National Review.

Favorite Left-Of-Center Blogger

2) Matt Welch (3)
2) The Washington Monthly (3)
1) Mickey Kaus (5)

I wonder how Kevin and Mickey think about this, not sure about the Welch character, but it is likely that he was also for Dubby's grand Imperial Iraqi adventure. Kaus is simpley a hack, and I stopped reading Drum regularly during the summer of 2003, I fear that too much of the beltway has entered his brain. Needless to say on my scale none of these guys are left of center.

Most Annoying Left-Of-Center Blogger

4) Talking Points Memo (4)
4) Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish (4)
3) Oilver Willis (8)
2) Eschaton (9)
1) Daily Kos (19)

Now if you had to win a category............Nice job guys, ('cept Andy "glutes" Sullivan)
Not sure what Sullivan is doing on the list though, realizing that bush is so fucking horrid that you simply can not vote for him, may get you shown the door on the right side of the aisle, but does not win you any street cred in blogistan.

Most Annoying Right-Of-Center Blogger

3) Gut Rumbles (3)
2) The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler (5)
1) Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish (14)

How about that fence straddling Sullivan, places in both categories, anoying almost as many wingnuts as the Daily Kos (19) - Sully (18). How's that for double dipping.

Most Overrated Blog

4) Instapundit (5)
3) Daily Kos (7)
2) Wonkette (13)
1) Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish (15)

Andy is beginning to remind me of Homer simpson in the highschool reunion episode, wherein Homer wins all of the undesirable awards like "most weight gained" "most hair lost" for example. And last but not least the category for best blog overall.

The Best Blog Overall

14) The Volokh Conspiracy (3)
14) Wizbang (3)
14) Winds Of Change (3)
14) Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish (3)
14) Samizdata (3)
14) PoliPundit (3)
14) LILEKS (James) The Bleat (3)
14) Mickey Kaus (3)
14) Dean's World (3)
11) Protein Wisdom (4)
11) Michelle Malkin (4)
11) Betsy's Page (4)
8) Roger L. Simon (5)
8) Captain's Qaurters (5)
8) Tim Blair (5)
7) A Small Victory (6)
5) Hugh Hewitt (9)
5) Belmont Club (9)
4) The Corner (12)
2) Power Line (16)
2) Little Green Footballs (16)
1) Instapundit (22)

So there you go, the above are all proud and bonafide members of the 101st Fighting Keyboards, supporting poorly managed, blatantly unnecessary war, because war makes a tent in the pantaloons.